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The decision of the Authority follows:
19 FLRA No. 122 VETERANS ADMINISTRATION VETERANS ADMINISTRATION MEDICAL CENTER, MUSKOGEE, OKLAHOMA Respondent and AMERICAN FEDERATION OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, LOCAL 2250, AFL-CIO Charging Party Case Nos. 6-CA-399 6-CA-567 6-CA-577 6-CA-802 6-CA-804 DECISION AND ORDER */ The Administrative Law Judge issued the attached Decision in the above-entitled proceeding, finding that the Respondent had engaged in certain unfair labor practices alleged in the consolidated complaint, and recommending that it be ordered to cease and desist therefrom and take certain affirmative action. The Judge found that the Respondent had not engaged in other unfair labor practices alleged in the consolidated complaint, and recommended dismissal of those portions of the consolidated complaint. Thereafter, the Respondent filed exceptions, the General Counsel filed cross-exceptions, /1/ and the Respondent filed an opposition to the General Counsel's cross-exceptions. Pursuant to section 2423.29 of the Authority's Rules and Regulations and section 7118 of the Federal Service Labor-Management Relations Statute (the Statute), the Authority has reviewed the rulings of the Judge made at the hearing and finds that no prejudicial error was committed. The rulings are hereby affirmed. Upon consideration of the entire record in these cases, the Authority hereby adopts the Judge's findings, conclusions and recommendations only to the extent consistent herewith. In Case No. 6-CA-399, the Judge found that the Respondent violated section 7116(a)(1), (5) and (8) of the Statute /2/ by conducting a meeting with bargaining unit employees which was a formal discussion within the meaning of section 7114(a)(2)(A) of the Statute /3/ on January 2, 1980, and bypassing the Union by announcing a change in working conditions regarding the use of official time for union stewards and officers at that formal meeting without providing the Union with prior notice and the opportunity to be present. The Authority does not adopt his conclusion that the Respondent violated section 7116(a)(1) and (8) of the Statute by failing to provide the Union advance notice of, and the opportunity to be represented at, the meeting alleged to be a formal discussion. The Authority concludes that actual representation by an exclusive representative at a formal discussion is sufficient to demonstrate compliance with the requirement of section 7114(a)(2)(A) of the Statute that such an exclusive representative "be given an opportunity to be represented." /4/ Neither section 7114(a)(2)(A) nor its legislative history supports a conclusion that Congress intended that a union representative must be given notification of a formal discussion in advance, specifically in his or her capacity as a union official. /5/ It is necessary, in the language of the Statute, only that an exclusive representative "be given the opportunity to be represented." Here, the exclusive representative was in fact represented at the formal discussion by its president, its third vice president and its steward, although they had not been notified in their capacities as union officials but rather as employees. /6/ Thus, the Union had the opportunity to be represented and therefore no violation of section 7116(a)(1) and (8) has been established. /7/ Of course, when an agency fails to notify union officials of a formal discussion, it does so at its peril. If union representatives do in fact attend, no violation will be found and no inquiry will be made concerning how such representatives received notice of or happened to be in attendance at the meetings. However, if no union representatives are present at the formal discussion, the question of whether they were afforded adequate notice and an opportunity to be present would need to be resolved, and a finding that no such notice was given to the union's representatives would lead to a conclusion that the agency violated section 7116(a)(1) and (8) of the Statute if all of the other elements set forth in section 7114(a)(2)(A) of the Statute were satisfied. /8/ The Authority also disagrees with the Judge's conclusion that the meeting constituted a bypass of the Union in violation of section 7116(a)(1) and (5) of the Statute. In so finding, the Authority notes particularly that there is no evidence that management attempted to deal or negotiate directly with employees on matters properly bargainable with their representatives. See Internal Revenue Service (District, Region, National Office Units), 19 FLRA No. 48 (1985); Department of Health and Human Services, Social Security Administration, 19 FLRA No. 56 (1985). The Authority adopts the Judge's findings in Case Nos. 6-CA-567 and 6-CA-577 that a past practice of allowing Union officers to use official time at their discretion was established at the facility prior to the January 2, 1980 meeting, after which Union officers were required to obtain permission from supervisors in order to take official time, in the same manner required of union stewards under the parties' negotiated agreement. Accordingly, the Respondent's unilateral change in policy without affording the Union notice and an opportunity to bargain concerning that proposed change in established practice violated section 7116(a)(1) and (5) of the Statute. Social Security Administration, 13 FLRA 112 (1983). Furthermore, the Respondent violated section 7116(a)(1) and (5) of the Statute when it implemented this policy by not authorizing official time for Union Vice President White while he was engaged in representing unit employees in pending grievances, meeting with Respondent's representatives on labor-management business, or otherwise involved in representational responsibilities on behalf of the exclusive representative, and by placing Union President Hawpe and White in AWOL status while they were engaged in such representational duties on or about May 15 and September 2, 1980, respectively. With regard to the Judge's recommended remedy to make whole employees Hawpe and White for the periods of time on May 15 and September 2, 1980, respectively, when they were placed on AWOL status while performing representational duties, the Authority has held such a remedy appropriate under the Back Pay Act, 5 U.S.C. 5596, when "but for" an unjustified or unwarranted personnel action the employee would not have suffered a loss or reduction in pay, allowances, or differentials. Department of the Air Force, Air Force Systems Command, Electronic Systems Division, 14 FLRA 390 (1984). It is clear that under the practice which existed before the Respondent unilaterally changed the method of allowing Union officers to use official time while performing representational duties, Hawpe and White advised the Respondent when they were going to utilize official time, and the request was never challenged. The unilateral change in that established practice required Hawpe and White to request official time and the Respondent to approve or deny the request. When such requests were rejected and Hawpe and White attempted to utilize official time nonetheless, they were placed on AWOL status and thereby suffered a reduction in pay. Thus, "but for" the Respondent's unlawful unilateral change in the established practice concerning use of official time for representational duties performed by employees on behalf of the exclusive representative, such loss or reduction in pay would not have been suffered, and the Authority therefore adopts the Judge's recommended make whole remedy. In Case No. 6-CA-804, the Judge concluded that the question of Vice-President White's entitlement to a representative of his own choosing is a matter involving an interpretation and application of the parties' collective bargaining agreement, and dismissed the allegation that the Respondent violated the Statute by preventing him from making such a choice. The Authority adopts this conclusion, noting particularly that even if the Respondent's action in this regard were more than a differing and arguable interpretation of the contract, a single instance of failure or refusal by a party to comply with a contractual provision does not under the Statute constitute a rejection of the collective bargaining agreement in violation of section 7116(a)(1) and (5) of the Statute. See, e.g., Federal Aviation Administration, Alaskan Regional Office, 7 FLRA 164 (1981). See also Internal Revenue Service and Internal Revenue Service, Detroit District, 12 FLRA 445 (1983); Harry S. Truman Memorial Veterans Hospital, Columbia, Missouri, 11 FLRA 516 (1983); U.S. Customs Service, Region VII, Los Angeles, California, 10 FLRA 251 (1982); Kaiserslautern American High School, Department of Defense Dependents Schools, Germany North Region, 9 FLRA 184 (1982). Accordingly, the section 7116(a)(1) and (5) allegations of the complaint are dismissed. /9/ Furthermore, the Authority adopts the Judge's conclusion in Case No. 6-CA-804 that the Respondent did not violate section 7116(a)(1) and (2) of the Statute /10/ by charging White as AWOL while he was representing an employee in another bargaining unit, noting particularly the absence of evidence that such action by the Respondent constituted disparate treatment or was discriminatorily motivated. Noting particularly the absence of timely exceptions thereto, the Authority adopts the Judge's conclusion in Case No. 6-CA-802 that the Respondent met its statutory obligation to bargain regarding the relocation of conduit pipes. Accordingly, the allegations raised in Case No. 6-CA-802 are dismissed. Henry B. Frazier III, Acting Chairman Concurring Opinion of Member McGinnis: I concur with the rationale and conclusion of this decision. However, in reviewing compliance with the section 7114(a)(2)(A) rights of a majority representative (i.e., to "be given an opportunity to be represented" at "formal discussions" as defined by the Statute and case law), I place primary emphasis on management's right to control the scope of such meetings. The nature of the majority representative's right to be represented at a formal discussion is inextricably intertwined with the scope of the meeting as determined by management. As the Authority has previously noted, "formal discussions" under section 7114(a)(2)(A) can encompass a broad range of conduct. Indeed, the term "discussions" can be misleading; the Authority has held that a formal meeting called by management for the sole purpose of making an announcement is a "discussion" implicating section 7114(a)(2)(A) rights. Department of Defense, National Guard Bureau, Texas Adjutant General's Department, 149th TAC Fighter Group (ANG) (TAC), Kelly Air Force Base, 15 FLRA No. 111 (1984). On the other hand, management could conduct a "formal discussion" with employees encompassing actual dialogue between management and employees in a controlled setting. It follows that the majority representative's right to "be given an opportunity to be represented" at a "formal discussion" is necessarily tied to the scope of the actual meeting conducted. That is, when management determines to make a formal announcement to employees, implementing a management right, the majority representative's right to "be given an opportunity to be represented" is limited to the right to be present. No discussion need take place, even if the majority representative desires it. Should management open a "formal discussion" to active dialogue between employees and management, the individual(s) representing the majority representative, upon proper identification, can also participate in such dialogue. In either case, the statutory framework enables participation by the majority representative analogous to, but not greater than, participation rights afforded to unit employees by management in the formal discussion. William J. McGinnis, Jr., Member Having found that the Respondent failed to meet its obligations under the Statute in connection with certain allegations of the consolidated complaint, and having further found that other allegations of the consolidated complaint have not been established, the Authority shall issue the following order: ORDER Pursuant to section 2423.29 of the Rules and Regulations of the Federal Labor Relations Authority and section 7118 of the Statute, the Authority hereby orders that the Veterans Administration, Veterans Administration Medical Center, Muskogee, Oklahoma, shall: 1. Cease and desist from: (a) Unilaterally instituting changes in an established practice with respect to the use of official time by unit employees serving as Union officers to engage in representational duties on behalf of the exclusive representative without providing notice to, and upon request bargaining with, American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO, the exclusive representative of its employees, or any other exclusive representative. (b) In any like or related manner interfering with, restraining or coercing its employees in the exercise of their rights assured by the Statute. 2. Take the following affirmative action in order to effectuate the purposes and policies of the Statute: (a) Upon request, meet and negotiate with the American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO, the exclusive representative of its employees, with regard to any changes in established practices concerning the use of official time by unit employees serving as Union officers to engage in representational duties on behalf of the exclusive representative, and the implementation of any such changes, at the Muskogee, Oklahoma facility. (b) Make whole employees Esten Hawpe and Eugene White in accordance with the Back Pay Act, 5 U.S.C. 5596 (Supp. III 1979) for any loss of pay or other benefits they suffered on or about May 15 and September 2, 1980, respectively, when they were placed on AWOL status while performing representational duties on behalf of the exclusive representative, American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO. (c) Post at its Veterans Administration Medical Center, Muskogee, Oklahoma facility copies of the attached Notice on forms to be furnished by the Federal Labor Relations Authority. Upon receipt of such forms they shall be signed by the Director, or a designee, and shall be posted and maintained for 60 consecutive days thereafter, in conspicuous places, including bulletin boards and other places where notices to employees are customarily posted. Reasonable steps shall be taken to insure that such Notices are not altered, defaced, or covered by any other material. (d) Pursuant to section 2423.30 of the Authority's Rules and Regulations, notify the Regional Director, Region VI, Federal Labor Relations Authority, in writing, within 30 days from the date of this Order, as to what steps have been taken to comply herewith. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that those allegations of the consolidated complaint found unsupported herein be, and they hereby are, dismissed. Issued, Washington, D.C., August 30, 1985 Henry B. Frazier III, Acting Chairman William J. McGinnis, Jr., Member FEDERAL LABOR RELATIONS AUTHORITY NOTICE TO ALL EMPLOYEES PURSUANT TO A DECISION AND ORDER OF THE FEDERAL LABOR RELATIONS AUTHORITY AND IN ORDER TO EFFECTUATE THE POLICIES OF CHAPTER 71 OF TITLE 5 OF THE UNITED STATES CODE FEDERAL SERVICE LABOR-MANAGEMENT RELATIONS WE HEREBY NOTIFY OUR EMPLOYEES THAT: WE WILL NOT unilaterally institute changes in an established practice with respect to the use of official time by unit employees serving as Union officers to engage in representational duties on behalf of the exclusive representative without providing notice to, and upon request bargaining with, American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO, the exclusive representative of our employees, or any other exclusive representative. WE WILL NOT in any like or related manner interfere with, restrain or coerce our employees in the exercise of their rights assured by the Statute. WE WILL, upon request, meet and negotiate with the American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO, the exclusive representative of our employees, with regard to any changes in established practices concerning the use of official time by unit employees serving as Union officers to engage in representational duties on behalf of the exclusive representative, and the implementation of such changes, at the Muskogee, Oklahoma facility. WE WILL make whole employees Esten Hawpe and Eugene White in accordance with the Back Pay Act, 5 U.S.C. 5596 (Supp. III 1979) for any loss of pay or benefits they suffered on or about May 15 and September 2, 1980, respectively, when they were placed on AWOL status while performing representational duties on behalf of the exclusive representative, American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO. (Activity) Dated: . . . By: (Signature) (Title) This Notice must remain posted for 60 consecutive days from the date of posting, and must not be altered, defaced, or covered by any other material. If employees have any questions concerning this Notice or compliance with its provisions, they may communicate directly with the Regional Director, Region VI, Federal Labor Relations Authority, whose address is: 525 Griffin Street, Suite 926, Dallas, Texas 75202, and whose telephone number is: (214) 767-4996. -------------------- ALJ$ DECISION FOLLOWS -------------------- Case Nos. 6-CA-399, 6-CA-567, 6-CA-577, 6-CA-802, 6-CA-804 Robert M. James and Roy H. Wells, Esqs. For the Respondent Susan E. Jelen and Elizabeth Martinez, Esqs. For the General Counsel Karla Mann For the Charging Party Before: ELI NASH, JR. Administrative Law Judge Decision Statement of the Case This is a proceeding under the Federal Service Labor-Management Relations Statute, Chapter 71 of Title 5 of the U.S. Code, 5 U.S.C. 7101 et seq. (hereinafter referred to as the Statute) and the Rules and Regulations of the Federal Labor Relations Authority, 5 C.F.R.Chapter XIV, Sec. 2410 et seq. In December 1980, the Regional Director for Region 6 of the Federal Labor Relations Authority, (herein called the Authority) pursuant to charges originally filed by the American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250 (herein called the union) issued an Amended Order Consolidating Cases, Consolidated Complaint and Notice of Hearing /11/ alleging that the Veterans Administration, Veterans Administration Medical Center, Muskogee, Oklahoma (herein called the respondent) engaged in unfair labor practices within the meaning of section 7116(a)(1), (2), (5), and (8) of the Statute by refusing to negotiate with the union by unilaterally implementing new procedures concerning the use of official time by union officers without affording it an opportunity to bargain; refusing to negotiate in good faith by unilaterally implementing new procedures concerning the amount and use of official time granted to the union's president, without affording it an opportunity to bargain; refusing to negotiate in good faith with the union by unilaterally implementing new procedures concerning the amount and use of official time granted to a union vice-president, without affording it an opportunity to bargain; and refusing to negotiate in good faith by unilaterally changing the terms of an agreement concerning the relocation of conduit pipes at the facility without affording the union notice or an opportunity to bargain. Respondent filed an Answer denying all the allegations of the Consolidated Complaint. A hearing in this matter was conducted before the undersigned in Muskogee, Oklahoma. All parties were represented by counsel and were afforded full opportunity to be heard, to examine and cross-examine witnesses, to introduce evidence and to argue orally. Also all parties filed timely briefs. Based upon the entire record in this matter, including my observation of the witnesses and their demeanor, and upon my evaluation of the evidence, I make the following findings, conclusions, and recommendations. Findings of Fact A. Background The union at all times material herein, has been the exclusive bargaining representative for an appropriate unit of employees at Respondent's Muskogee, Oklahoma facility. The respondent and the union have been parties to a collective bargaining agreement since October 24, 1972 which agreement was amended around February 25, 1974. Sometime in 1979 the parties began negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement, however, they reached impasse on several issues. At the time of the hearing, national level negotiations between the Veterans Administration and the union were being conducted. The collective bargaining agreement previously mentioned sets forth the criteria under which union stewards at the facility receive official time to perform various representational duties. Article X, Section 3 states: Should it be necessary for a Union steward to leave his assigned work area to investigate complaints, the steward will obtain permission from his immediate supervisor prior to his leaving. The steward will advise the supervisor of his reason for leaving the jobsite and probable duration. Unless there are compelling circumstances, hospital officials will authorize stewards to leave their work area to bring about a prompt disposition of a grievance or complaint without loss of pay or leave. The union agrees that stewards will conduct business with dispatch. Prior to discussion with an employee in another work area, the steward will report to the immediate supervisor in that particular area and state the purpose of his visit. In each instance the supervisor's permission will be granted as soon as practicable. The steward will report back to his supervisor at the time he returns to his job. The same procedure will be followed by employees in seeking out and discussing complaints or grievances with stewards in their designated areas. However, the use of official time for union officers, which is in question here, is not specifically addressed in the collective bargaining agreement. According to the testimony of several union officers, the procedure outlined in the collective bargaining agreement for stewards, did not apply to officers and union officers did not follow that procedure when taking official time. Instead, Esten Hawpe local union president and a former union steward, /12/ testified that prior to January 1980, as an officer of the union, he merely informed his supervisor that he was going on labor management business. Hawpe states that when informing his supervisor that he was taking official time he was not requesting permission to take official time but, rather he was informing his supervisor as a courtesy; he did not tell the supervisor the nature of the labor-management business and did not take official time for internal union business; he did not estimate the time he would need on official time or report to his supervisor when he returned; and, if the supervisor was not in the area when he needed to take official time, Hawpe would inform the supervisor that he had been on official time when he returned to work. According to Hawpe, former union president Leo Woodard, had also taken official time in the same manner and that in Hawpe's presence, Woodard had informed his supervisor that he was going on labor-management business. Former president Woodard also testified that he informed supervisors that he was taking official time as a courtesy and not to beg permission. According to the testimony of both Hawpe and Woodard, Woodard never had problems with the use of official time. However, this could have been because Woodard worked a rotating shift and often delegated authority concerning representational duties to other union personnel. Considering the nature of the work and certain emergencies attendant to the job, Woodard admits that there were certain times when arrangements "to turn you loose" had to be made. Contrary to the testimony of union officers, supervisor Myrl Goad, the facilities foreman, stated in a deposition that the policy was that both union officers and stewards had to ask for labor-management time from their respective supervisors. Goad stated, it was his understanding that Garland Olinger, who was Hawpe's immediate supervisor, also followed the policy of requiring both officers and stewards to request time. However, Goad did admit that he was never present when Olinger was involved in granting official time and that he was, not aware of the method used by Hawpe in taking official time. J. Eugene White, a union vice-president testified that prior to January 1980, in his capacity as a union officer, he used official time to conduct labor-management business and that he merely notified his supervisor and would then take the official time when needed. White like Hawpe states that he did not request permission from his supervisor or inform his supervisor of the nature of the labor-management business, but was allowed to take official time without question by his supervisor. White's immediate supervisor, Doyle Stiles testified that White requested permission to take labor-management time and that Stiles granted the time whenever possible. B. Formal Meeting Sometime during the last week of December 1979, Facilities Foreman, Engineering Services, Myrl Goad informed a unit employee Joe Grayson, who worked as a pipefitter in the plumbing shop, that there was going to be a meeting with everyone in the shop on the following Monday. According to Grayson, Goad told him that there were going to be some changes that some of the employees would like and some that they would not. The following Monday, January 2, 1980, Goad held a meeting with approximately 12 employees from the carpentry, plumbing, electrical, and paint shops. Foreman Goad and Doyle Stiles, Carpentry Foreman, Engineering Services were present as management representatives. Esten Hawpe, union president, Eugene White, third vice-president, and William Marler, a union steward, were all present at the meeting but, in their capacity as unit employees rather than representatives of the union. Hawpe was a pipefitter, White was a carpenter, and Marler was an electrician. The union was not notified that the meeting was to take place or of its purpose. According to Goad, the purpose of the meeting was to emphasize existing personnel policies and regulations regarding tardiness and arranging for labor-management time by stewards and officers of the union. The meeting began with Goad stating that he had been chewed out the week before. It is not clear from the record who "chewed" out Goad. Goad stated that from now on the supervisors were going to have to know where their employees were at all times and that, "if the supervisor cannot find you, you will be placed on AWOL (absent without leave)." Goad also stated that employees were spending too much time on breaks and in the canteen. Concerning official time, Goad told the employees that union officers and stewards could not spend so much time as they had spent in the past on official time. Goad warned that they would now have to notify their supervisor of where they were going and how much time they would need. The supervisor would then let them know if they could be released. He added that, if union officers on official time needed more time, they would be required to call their supervisor and request the additional time. Further, he stated that official time would be allowed only in increments of one or two hours. President Hawpe asked if the announced policy applied to union officers as well as stewards. Goad responded that, he did not care whether the employee was an officer or not. If official time was needed they would have to ask for it. Hawpe requested this new policy in writing and Goad said he would get it. Goad also stated that this policy came from "higher up". The union never received any written notification policy in writing. C. Official Time for Union Officers On January 14, 1980, Hawpe and White met with the new Chief, Engineering Service, Ron Richter, at Richter's request. The purpose of this meeting was to discuss a safety matter, but after they had finished discussing safety, Richter indicated that he was not happy with the way the union officers used official time without asking permission and without being under the same restrictions as stewards. Hawpe answered that most of the official time used by officers was as a result of requests by management. Hawpe further stated that respondent could make proposals concerning official time for union officers to the union and they could negotiate. However, the union never received any proposals from respondent regarding official time. Around April 24, 1980, Richter requested another meeting with union president Hawpe. The purpose of this meeting according to Hawpe was for Richter to inform Hawpe that if he did not work under the restrictions of the collective bargaining agreement placed on stewards, he would be placed in AWOL status by Richter. Present at the meeting were Hawpe; Karla Mann, the union's second vice-president; Tommy Jackson, chief steward; Richter; Larry Deal, a personnel officer; and Billy Loftin, a personnel management specialist. Richter told Hawpe that from this point on, Hawpe was to request permission to leave the worksite. Richter instructed Hawpe to tell his supervisor the nature of the business and to report back to the supervisor when he returned to the worksite. Hawpe requested that the announced policy be placed in writing, but both Richter and Deal refused to do so. During the meeting, only Hawpe's use of official time and the method he was to use in requesting it were discussed. No other union officers were mentioned. Following the above meeting, on April 24, 1980, Hawpe sent a letter to Richter requesting that: In order for Union officers in Engineering Service to abide by your decision regarding the use of official time, it is requested that you provide to the Local in writing your specific requirements and proposed changes in this regard. The union received no response to this letter. A few days after the above meeting, sometime around May 5, 1980, Hawpe informed his immediate supervisor Olinger that he was leaving on labor-management business. Olinger told Hawpe that he could not let him leave without checking with Myrl Goad. According to Hawpe, Goad would then apparently check with Bill Cockerill, Assistant Chief, Engineering Service, Cockerill would then make the decision as to whether Hawpe could receive official time and would tell Goad. Goad in turn would tell Olinger, who would then let Hawpe know if Hawpe could leave or not. Olinger told Hawpe that this was a procedure to begin that day and that he had been told to keep Hawpe out of the union office. According to Hawpe, on previous occasions when Hawpe had requested official time Olinger had not consulted anyone to see whether Hawpe would be allowed to take the time. In his deposition Goad denies that he ever told Olinger to clear Hawpe's official time. However, Goad admits that Olinger did call him a few times about letting Hawpe take official time. Goad also states that Richter instructed him to restrict Hawpe's labor-management time since he thought Hawpe was spending too much time on labor-management business. Goad was told to keep Hawpe's use of official time down as much as they could. These instructions were communicated by Goad to Hawpe's supervisor Olinger. On or about May 5, an employee in the engineering department, Lester Rouse, sought to consult with Hawpe concerning settlement of a pending grievance. Following Richter's instructions, Hawpe requested official time from Olinger. Olinger contacted Goad and Hawpe's request was denied. Olinger told Hawpe he could meet with Rouse in the afternoon, however. Rouse made a regular trip to Tulsa as part of his duties, and was gone in the afternoon thereby no meeting between Hawpe and Rouse was possible on that day. The following day, on May 6, 1980, the union requested a meeting with the Medical Center Director Floyd McNair. Chief Steward Tommy Jackson arranged the meeting to discuss the use of official time and the new procedure which Hawpe was to use. When Hawpe informed Olinger that he had to leave the jobsite to meet with the Director, Olinger refused to allow Hawpe to leave. Olinger told Hawpe that they did not want him taking care of union business. Jackson upon learning of this, requested McNair have Hawpe attend the meeting, but McNair refused to override the supervisor. Jackson, therefore, declined to discuss Hawpe's use of official time and the meeting was never held. Hawpe allegedly encountered other difficulties concerning his use of official time during this period. On one occasion Hawpe was allowed official time by his supervisor, but when he got to the union office, he was told to return to the shop. Hawpe asked if there was an emergency, indicating he would go to that location immediately. Olinger replied that there was no emergency, but Cockerill and others wanted Hawpe out of the union office. Hawpe returned to the shop, but was allowed to take care of the labor-management business later that day. Hawpe further testified that on other occasions he was told by his supervisor that he would know at 2:00 if official time could be granted to Hawpe however, the supervisor would not know at the designated time whether Hawpe could take official time, thereby causing further delay. Sometime in early May 1980, Hawpe and Jackson met with the Medical Center Director McNair and Larry Deal to discuss the problems union officers were having concerning their use of official time. McNair was asked why he was allowing the service chiefs to ignore the provisions of the collective bargaining agreement. Hawpe explained there were no procedures negotiated for the use of official time by union officers. McNair allegedly agreed that there was no established procedure and that in the past union officers had used what time they needed. McNair asked if the union would agree to negotiate on the official time issue. Hawpe responded that the union would never refuse to negotiate. Larry Deal then asked if the union would propose something. Hawpe refused, saying the union was satisfied but, that it would not refuse to negotiate if respondent made a proposal. No proposals were ever received from respondent. On or around May 15, Nurse Donna Burkybile requested that Hawpe represent her in a settlement discussion regarding a grievance she had filed, since her regular representative was unavailable. Hawpe requested and was granted official time to attend the meeting from Foreman Goad. Before the meeting, Goad told Hawpe that he could not leave to represent Burkybile as requested. Goad explained there was no emergency, but that Richter had stated he would put Hawpe on AWOL if he left to represent Burkybile. Hawpe represented the employee at the scheduled meeting and was placed on AWOL status for the hour that he was gone. A similar incident occurred on or around September 2, 1980, when White, then a union third vice-president, needed official time to respond to a management proposal regarding tours of duty for certain unit employees. White notified his supervisor, Stiles that he would be taking official time. Stiles responded that due to the workload, he could not allow White to go. White told Stiles that the collective bargaining agreement was silent on union officers and he needed the time to take care of union business. White then went to the union office to work for one hour. The following day he was charged one hour AWOL and docked one hour on his paycheck. D. Union Representation and Official Time to Represent An Employee in Another Unit On September 3, 1980, White received a call from Richter informing him of a meeting on September 4, at which he would receive a letter of counseling. White had chosen O. D. Sanders, a national AFGE representative from Norman, Oklahoma, to be his representative at this meeting. Article XII of the collective bargaining agreement concerning matters which may lead to disciplinary actions against an employer states, "he must be advised . . . of his right to be represented by the Union or any other person of his choice." By letter dated September 3, 1980, White requested that the meeting be postponed until September 10 when his representative would be available. Richter postponed the meeting until September 8, but declined to postpone it any further. At the scheduled meeting on September 8, White and Chief Steward Jackson were present. Jackson allegedly was present to represent the union and not to represent White individually. Jackson protested that White's personal representative was not present and that Richter was therefore denying White's right to a representative of his own choice as stated in the collective bargaining agreement. Nevertheless, Richter proceeded to read White's letter of counseling and presented the letter to White. At that time, Richter also verbally counseled White on his use of official time. In addition to being a local union officer, White was District President for the National Veterans Administration Council in which capacity, White serviced a district covering the states of Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Arkansas. On two previous occasions White had represented an employee at the Veterans Administration in Fayetteville, Arkansas, at the employee's request. White informed his supervisor of the absences stating that he would be on official time the two days he was absent from work. However, White was placed on AWOL status for both occasions by Respondent, resulting in a total loss of 15 hours from his paycheck. Further, as already noted White was reprimanded on September 4, 1980 by Richter for representing the employee in Fayetteville. E. Conduit Pipes In approximately March 1979, White, as union safety representative received complaints from engineering employees regarding some conduit pipes located in the sub-basement of C-Wing of the facility. The pipes involved were located in a walk area where engineering employees occasionally worked. The pipes were mounted with pieces of unistrut with sharp edges that were approximately chest high. The union considered the pipes hazardous to personnel who could be working in the area. The area involved also contained steam lines which could impair visibility because of steam leakage. White notified Hawpe, who brought up the safety hazard matter at the March 29, 1979 monthly union-management meeting. At that meeting, Director McNair, promised to investigate the situation. On April 2, 1979, McNair wrote Leo Woodard, then union president, and stated: The Resident Engineer has been informed about the pipe and conduit in the sub-basement of C-wing. The relocation of the pipes in this area will be included as a completion item in the contract. This means that the contractor will not be paid for the job until these items are relocated to our satisfaction. During an official safety and fire protection survey at the facility around mid-September 1980, the District Safety and Fire Protection Engineer noted that in the C-Wing sub-basement of Building One was a new conduit which presented "a head-bumping hazard." The Safety Engineer recommended that the conduit be padded and painted to provide visual warning. Although the Safety Engineer's recommendation was followed and the pipes were padded and painted, the union contended that respondent had agreed to relocate the pipes and had not done so. Hawpe went to Richter and requested information regarding the completion date of the contract which covered the conduit pipes in question. Richter refused to give the completion date, but Hawpe was able to ascertain that the contractor had been paid sometime around June 1980. Discussion A. Formal Discussion - 6-CA-399 The evidence is uncontroverted that a meeting was held on January 2, 1980 and that the subject matter involved was tardiness and use of official time for union stewards and officers. There is no contention by respondent that the exclusive representative was not given any notification of this meeting or an opportunity to be present. I agree with the General Counsel that Air Force Logistics Command, Newark, Ohio, 4 FLRA No. 70 is controlling in this matter. In that case, where the union was not notified as the exclusive representative of changes in working conditions, the Authority stated: Thus, the collective bargaining relationship envisaged by the Statute requires that each party have the ability to function as an equal partner within the relationship. It follows that each party should therefore deal with the other on an equal footing. In this matter, although three union officials were part of the unit and worked under the supervision of Foreman Goad none of these officers was informed of the meeting or of its subject matter. Nor were they allowed to participate in the meeting as union representatives. Such a meeting, obviously held to discuss working conditions and without giving notice to union officials as union representatives clearly impeded its ability to perform as an equal partner with activity management. Respondent's argument is that the meeting was not a formal discussion within the meaning of section 7114(a)(2)(A), but merely a reaffirmation of the existing policy on tardiness, absence, and leave. Respondent further contends that union officers were present. The latter argument is rejected since the evidence shows that union officers were not notified of this meeting in their capacity as union representatives, but attended the meeting as employees. As to the former argument, the matters discussed in this meeting involved working conditions of the employees involved and supervisor Goad announced changes in the manner in which union officers would be allowed to take official time for union business and representational duties at the facility. Such action in holding a meeting to announce changes in working conditions and precluding participation by the collective bargaining representative constitutes a violation of the Statute. It is therefore, found that, respondent's action herein constitutes a bypass of the union by not giving it notification or an opportunity to be present at a formal discussion where certain changes in working conditions of its employees were announced, is in violation of section 7116(a)(1), (5), and (8) of the Statute. B. New Procedures Concerning Use of Official Time By Union Officers-- 6-CA-567 and 6-CA-577 1. Generally The use of official time for representational activities of an exclusive representative is subject to bargaining by the parties. See Department of the Navy, Naval Underwater Systems Center, Newport Naval Base, 3 FLRA No. 64 (1980). Further, established terms and conditions of employment, may not be altered by either party absent agreement or impasse following good faith bargaining. In my view, the actions of the parties concerning use of official time by union officers constituted the establishment by past practice of a term or condition of employment. Beginning in the fall of 1979, the need for official time apparently increased dramatically at the facility. At that same time, union president Hawpe was in light duty status and performing very little, if any, pipefitting work. Further, the union was taking the position that its officers were entitled to the same time for labor-management relation as management agents. In all these circumstances, it is no wonder that Engineering Chief Richter became concerned with the amount of time being used by union officials in this shop and it would not be unreasonable to assume from this record that management made certain efforts to curb the use of official time, particularly use of such time by then union president Hawpe. I credit union witnesses that prior to 1980, union officers did not follow the provisions of Article X of the contract when taking official time to perform representational duties. I further credit union officers that they merely informed their supervisors as a courtesy that they were taking official time and were not questioned by supervisors regarding use of such time, and that union officers were not alloted official time in hourly increments. In fact, the record demonstrates that a rather lax policy was employed in granting official time to union officers specifically those in the Engineering Service. Thus, it appears that a past practice of allowing unfettered usage of official time to union officers existed at the facility prior to January 1980. The changes announced on January 2, 1980 meeting unilaterally altered that past practice since union officers were then required to wait for approval of official time, take that official time in increments of one or two hours and to basically follow the provisions of Article X of the collective bargaining agreement concerning union stewards, even though union officers had not been required to follow such procedures when performing official union business at the facility prior to that time. It is further noted that the parties collective bargaining agreement contains no provision for use of official time by union officers. Prior to January 1980, at least the union was operating under the assumption that its officers were free to use official time without so requesting. Management did nothing to disavow this notion until a new service chief attempted to apply a provision in the contract which the parties had not previously applied. It is clear from the record and the credited testimony of union officers that both parties recognized a distinction between officers and stewards for official purposes. Thus, in my view a practice of allowing union officers to use official time at their discretion was established at the Muskogee facility. If indeed, Richter suspected abuse of use of that time by union officers then disciplinary action along those lines should have been initiated. However, in order to change the existing past practice bargaining is required under the Statute. Furthermore, the evidence clearly established that the parties had amended the agreement and still had placed no restrictions on union officers use of official time. Respondent maintains that, among other things, Veterans Administration policy dictated that local management require union officials to obtain permission for official time usage. While this may be true, the record in this matter reveals that such a policy was not enforced by respondent until after January 1980 and that prior to that time union officers, at least, did not have to obtain permission from supervisors in order to take official time to perform official union function at the Muskogee facility. Based on the foregoing, it is found that respondent's unilateral announcement which restricted or changed the manner in which union officers could use official time and the imposition of different criteria for union officers to use official time without affording the exclusive representative notice or an opportunity to bargain concerning the restrictions constituted a violation of section 7116(a)(1) and (5) of the Statute. 2. Hawpe The General Counsel contends that president Hawpe as the most visible union officer was the primary objective of management's attempts to control the use of official time by union officers. In my view, the General Counsel established by a preponderance of the evidence that Hawpe's use of official time for representational purposes was restricted without notification to or bargaining with the union. As previously stated, Hawpe was on restricted duty status during the greater part of 1980 and while it appears that respondent might have been somewhat concerned with the fact that he was not able to perform his pipefitting duties, it is also clear that respondent was not happy with the amount of time consumed by Hawpe in representational activities and that the change was directed primarily at him. The record also shows that on two different occasions while Hawpe was on restricted duty status and no claim could be made that an emergency or other condition existed which would prevent his being released from work, Hawpe was not allowed to represent employees, even though requested as their representative. Hawpe under the new procedure was also required to go through several levels of supervision to obtain official time and even then his requests for official time were sometimes not answered. The record as a whole supports a finding that respondent did implement such restrictions on Hawpe's activities as union president without notice to a bargaining with the union. /13/ It is concluded that such restrictions on Hawpe's use of official time as a union officer, without notice to a bargaining with the union was violative of section 7116(a)(1) and (5) of the Statute. 3. White On September 2, 1980, White, as a union officer requested official time to submit a response to management concerning a change in a tour of duty. According to the credited testimony of White, the request was made to his supervisor Doyle Stiles in the same manner that he always made such requests. Stiles claimed that White could not be spared, but White left asserting that he was required only to inform his supervisor. White was charged one hour AWOL. It is noted that former union president Woodard states that there were certain situations in which provisions would have to be made to "turn us loose". I find that this was not one of those occasions and that the General Counsel has established by a preponderance of the evidence that respondent's refusal to allow White to take official time to perform representational duties was violative of the Statute. Here respondent presented no evidence that an emergency situation existed or that any other appropriate reason existed for not allowing White to pursue his representational duties as a union officer as he had done in the past. In these circumstances, it is found that the General Counsel established that Stiles' refusal to allow White official time and charging him AWOL for pursuing representational duties as a union officer was violative of section 7116(a)(1) and (5) of the Statute. c. Denying White a Representative of his Own Choosing-- and Charging Him AWOL Because of his Activities on Behalf of the Union 6-CA-804. The General Counsel contends that White was denied his right to a representative of his choice as allowed by Article 12 of the collective bargaining agreement. Without doubt the counseling session, which included both a counseling letter and verbal counseling, constituted a disciplinary action which entitled White to union representation. However, a union representative, Chief Steward White was present during the entire meeting. The General Counsel asserts that Jackson's presence did not diminish White's right to his chosen representative since Jackson clearly represented the union and not White. White therefore refused to speak during the meeting since he was not represented by Sanders, his chosen representative. Although Richter claimed the meeting could not be postponed because of the seriousness of the issue and although Steward Jackson was present the General Counsel asserts that White's contract rights should have taken precedence since the requested postponement was only for two days. Also it is contended that White's choice of Sanders was not unreasonable considering White's position in the union and Sanders nearness. According to the General Counsel's theory since Sanders was to be present in Muskogee on September 10, 1980, on other matters, he should have been allowed to represent White. Under this rationale the question is not whether White was denied a union representative, but whether terms of the contract were breached. It is established that absent a patent breach or lack of good faith on a respondent's part, the proper forum to resolve disputes over the meaning of provisions contained in a collective bargaining agreement would be that which the parties themselves adopted for such a purpose. American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO, Local 1661 and Department of Justice, Bureau of Prisons, Federal Correctional Institution, Danville, Connecticut, 2 FLRA No. 56 (1980); American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO, Local 1917 and United States Department of Justice, Immigration and Naturalization Service, 4 FLRA No. 29 (1980). In this instance, the question of entitlement to a representative of his own choosing is not argued as being a statutory right but rather one arising from a contractual term arrived at between the parties. The criteria for establishing whether such a breach is an unfair labor practice of course depends on the seriousness of the breach. In this matter, White was clearly not denied union representation because a union representative, the Chief Steward was, in fact, present during the meeting. What appears to have occurred was the union's testing of the contractual terms and Respondent's insistence that the matter be handled expeditiously. In my view, the refusal to extend the meeting another two days was neither patent nor does it establish lack of good faith on respondent's part. Furthermore, it has not been established on this record that respondent's interpretation of the clause concerning a representative of ones own choosing, would constitute a unilateral change in the terms of the contract. It is therefore, concluded that this matter involves an interpretation and application of the parties collective bargaining agreement, and must be resolved in a manner provided for under that agreement. The General Counsel also contends that White was charged AWOL for representing an employee, on two occasions, in Fayetteville, Arkansas "to punish him" for union activities in violation of section 7116(a)(1) and (2) of the Statute. The General Counsel asserts that White was placed on AWOL status in retaliation for his having asserted his rights as a union representative, that he told his supervisor that he was taking official time and that the denial of the time constituted a disciplinary action against White. The General Counsel's reliance on Corpus Christi Army Depot, Corpus Christi, Texas, 4 FLRA 80 (1980) is misplaced. In that case the Authority found that a past practice of allowing certain usage of time had been established. In this matter, while it has already been found that respondent allowed unfettered usage of official time to union officials to perform representational duties in the Muskogee unit the record does not support a finding that official time was allowed to District union officers to perform such functions or that union officers performed such representational duties outside the Muskogee unit for which respondent granted official time. Section 7131(d)(2) states in pertinent part: . . . any employee in an appropriate unit represented by an exclusive representative, shall be granted official time in any amount the agency and the exclusive representative agree to be reasonable, necessary and in the public interest. Under section 7131(d) it is not clear that respondent had any obligation to grant White official time to represent an employee outside the Muskogee unit. Nor does the record support a finding that White was entitled to such official time under the parties negotiated agreement. A review of the agreement between the parties shows that it is silent on this matter. Thus, any entitlement to such time would have to be supported by some informal or tacit agreement between the parties. I find that no such agreement existed and that there is no statutory or contractual entitlement to use such time. Accordingly, it is found that respondent's placing White in AWOL status did not constitute discrimination against him because of his union activities. D. The Conduit Pipes-- 6-CA-802 Respondent contends that it has no statutory obligation to bargain with the union on expenditure of funds or use of a specific technology to correct a safety hazard. Even if such a statutory obligation exists, it is my view that the General Counsel failed to establish by a preponderance of the evidence that Respondent refused to bargain over a change in the location of conduit pipes. The record indicates that the parties did indeed discuss safety matters concerning the pipes and that respondent agreed not to pay to contractor until the "items are relocated to our satisfaction." Further, the record reveals that in correcting the safety hazard substantial changes were made, including relocation, padding and other safety related work on the conduit pipes in question. Furthermore, the union offered no formal proposals concerning the correction of the hazard, but relied on the judgment of Director McNair to correct the problem. Finally, the contractor was paid. It is noted, that the Engineering Report relied on as indicating a safety hazard in the pipes did not require that all pipes be relocated and the safety hazard was corrected to the extent that it was possible under the engineering conditions as they existed. While the union may not have been entirely satisfied with the relocation and color coding when the work was completed it is clear from the record that all of the pipes could not have possibly been relocated and the work which was done was apparently, in the best judgment of the contractor and respondent, satisfactory since the contractor was paid. In the total circumstances of the case, I find that respondent met its obligation, if any, to bargain over the matter. /14/ Based on the aforementioned, I find that the record does not establish bad faith bargaining on respondent's part over this matter and recommend dismissal of the complaint in Case No. 6-CA-802. Having found that respondent violated section 7116(a)(1), (2), (5), and (8) of the Statute as alleged in Cases 6-CA-399, 6-CA-567 and 6-CA-577, I recommend that the Authority adopt the following Order. Having further found that respondent did not violate section 7116(a)(1), (2) and (5) it is recommended that the complaint in Cases 6-CA-802 and 6-CA-804 be dismissed in their entirety. ORDER Pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 7118(a)(7) and Section 2423.6 of the Rules and Regulations, 45 Fed.Reg. 3482, 3510 (1980), it is hereby ordered that the Veterans Administration, Veterans Administration Medical Center, Muskogee, Oklahoma shall: 1. Cease and desist from: (a) Unilaterally instituting changes with respect to usage of official time by union officers, without providing notice to, and upon request, bargaining with American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO, the exclusive representative of its employees, or any other exclusive representative. (b) Dealing directly with unit employees at the Muskogee, Oklahoma facility represented by the American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO with respect to personnel policies and practices or other matters affecting the general working conditions of employees at that facility. (c) Conducting formal discussions between management and unit employees, or their representatives, concerning personnel policies and practices, or other matters affecting general working conditions of employees in the unit, without notifying and affording American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO, the opportunity to be represented at formal discussions between management and employees, as their representative, concerning personnel policies and practices, or other matters affecting general working conditions of employees in the unit. (d) In any like or related manner interfering with, restraining or coercing its employees of their rights assured by the Statute. 2. Take the following affirmative action: (a) Upon request, meet and negotiate only with the American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO, the exclusive representative of its employees, with regard to personnel policies and practices, or other matters affecting the general working conditions of employees at the Muskogee, Oklahoma facility. (b) Notify the American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO, of and afford it the opportunity to be represented at formal discussions between management and unit employees, as their representative, concerning personnel policies and practices, or other matters affecting general working conditions of employees in the unit. (c) Make whole employees Esten Hawpe and Eugene White for the period of time on May 15 and September 2, 1980, respectively when they were placed on AWOL status while performing representational duties. (d) Post at its Veterans Administration Medical Center, Muskogee, Oklahoma facility copies of the attached Notice marked "Appendix" on forms to be furnished by the Federal Labor Relations Authority. Upon receipt of such forms they shall be signed by the Director, and shall be posted and maintained by him for 60 consecutive days thereafter, in conspicuous places, including bulletin boards and other places where notices to employees are customarily posted. The Director shall take reasonable steps to insure that such notices are not altered, defaced, or covered by any other material. (e) Notify the Federal Labor Relations Authority, in writing, within 30 days from the date of this order, as to what steps have been taken to comply herewith. ELI NASH, JR. Administrative Law Judge Dated: December 8, 1981 Washington, D.C. APPENDIX NOTICE TO ALL EMPLOYEES PURSUANT TO A DECISION AND ORDER OF THE FEDERAL LABOR RELATIONS AUTHORITY AND IN ORDER TO EFFECTUATE THE POLICIES OF THE FEDERAL LABOR-MANAGEMENT RELATIONS STATUTE WE HEREBY NOTIFY OUR EMPLOYEES THAT: WE WILL NOT institute changes concerning the procedures for usage of official time by union officers without first notifying the American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO and affording it the opportunity to bargain concerning the implementation of such changes and their impact on adversely affected employees. WE WILL NOT deal directly with unit employees of the Veterans Administration Medical Center, Muskogee, Oklahoma represented exclusively by the American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO, with respect to personnel policies and practices, or other matters affecting the general working conditions of employees in the Veterans Administration Medical Center, Muskogee, Oklahoma. WE WILL NOT conduct formal discussions between management and unit employees, or their representatives, concerning personnel policies and practices or other matters affecting general working conditions of employees in the unit, without notifying and affording, American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO, the exclusive representative of our employees, or any other exclusive representative of our employees, the opportunity to be represented at such discussions. WE WILL NOT in any like or related manner interfere with, restrain, or coerce our employees in the exercise of their rights assured by the Statute. WE WILL, upon request, meet and negotiate in good faith only with the American Federation of Government Employees, Local 2250, AFL-CIO, with respect to personnel policies and practices, or other matters affecting the general working conditions of employees in Veterans Administration Medical Center, Muskogee, Oklahoma. WE WILL upon request make whole employees Esten Hawpe and Eugene White for periods of time they were denied official time to perform representational duties in the Muskogee, Oklahoma facility. (Agency or Activity) Dated: . . . By: (Signature) This Notice must remain posted for 60 consecutive days from the date of posting and must not be altered, defaced, or covered by any other materials. If employees have any question concerning this Notice, or compliance with any of its provisions, they may communicate directly with the Regional Director, Federal Labor Relations Authority, Region VI, whose address is: Bryan & Ervay Street, Old Post Office Building, Room 450, Dallas, TX 75221; and telephone number is (214) 767-4996. --------------- FOOTNOTES$ --------------- /1A/ Member McGinnis' separate opinion is set forth, infra. /1/ The General Counsel's cross-exceptions were not timely filed and have not been considered by the Authority. /2/ Section 7116(a)(1), (5) and (8) provides: Sec. 7116. Unfair labor practices (a) For the purpose of this chapter, it shall be an unfair labor practice for an agency-- (1) to interfere with, restrain, or coerce any employee in the exercise by the employee of any right under this chapter; . . . . (5) to refuse to consult or negotiate in good faith with a labor organization as required by this chapter; . . . . (8) to otherwise fail or refuse to comply with any provision of this chapter. /3/ Section 7114(a)(2)(A) provides: Sec. 7114. Representation rights and duties . . . . (a)(2) An exclusive representative of an appropriate unit in an agency shall be given the opportunity to be represented at-- (A) any formal discussion between one or more representatives of the agency and one or more employees in the unit or their representatives concerning any grievance or any personnel policy or practices or other general condition of employment(.) /4/ To the extent that they are inconsistent herewith, Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Portsmouth, Virginia, 6 FLRA 74 (1981) and Internal Revenue Service, Fresno Service Center, Fresno, California, 7 FLRA 371 (1981), rev'd on other grounds sub nom. Internal Revenue Service, Fresno Service Center, Fresno, California v. FLRA, 706 F.2d 1019 (9th Cir. 1983), shall no longer be followed. That is, to the extent that the Norfolk Naval Shipyard and IRS, Fresno cases stand for the proposition that, to be adequate, the required prior notice of a formal discussion must be specifically given to the union qua union, they are hereby rejected. /5/ The Authority recently noted that a formal discussion may be a meeting called for the purpose of making a statement or announcement. In such circumstances, the exclusive representative's interest protected by section 7114(a)(2)(A) is to hear, along with unit employees, about matters of interest to unit employees and to be in a position to take appropriate action to safeguard those interests. See Department of Defense, National Guard Bureau, Texas Adjutant General's Department, 149th TAC Fighter Group (ANG) (TAC), Kelly Air Force Base, 15 FLRA No. 111 (1984), wherein the Authority considered whether the meeting in question constituted a "discussion" as that term is used in section 7114(a)(2)(A) of the Statute even though no dialogue occurred at the meeting. It was stipulated that the union had received no prior notice of the meeting, and there was no showing or finding that any employees attending the meeting were union representatives. /6/ Cf. United States Air Force, Air Force Logistics Command, Aerospace Guidance and Metrology Center, Newark, Ohio, 4 FLRA 512 (1980), rev. sub nom. United States Air Force v. FLRA, 681 F.2d 466 (6th Cir. 1982), where the Authority held, with regard to notice of a change in conditions of employment, that an agency violates the Statute when it fails to give notice to a union official in his or her capacity as a union representative. The Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit observed: "The Authority's decision appears to interject needless formality into (the) process. It seems to require that union officials be specifically addressed according to the role, employee or union representative, to which the speaker's message pertains. That could hardly have been the result intended." United States Air Force, 681 F.2d at 468. /7/ The Authority in so concluding finds it unnecessary to, and does not, pass upon whether the meeting was a "formal discussion" within the meaning of section 7114(a)(2)(A) of the Statute. /8/ These elements are identified and discussed in Bureau of Government Financial Operations, Headquarters, 15 FLRA No. 87 (1984), petition for review filed sub nom. National Treasury Employees Union v. FLRA, No. 84-1493 (D.C. Cir. Oct. 1, 1984). /9/ As noted by the Judge, White's entitlement to a representative of his own choosing is not argued on the basis of the Statute, but only on the basis of the negotiated agreement. /10/ Section 7116(a)(1) and (2) of the Statute provides: Sec. 7116. Unfair labor practices (a) For the purpose of this chapter, it shall be an unfair labor practice for an agency-- (1) to interfere with, restrain, or coerce any employee in the exercise by the employee of any right under this chapter; (2) to encourage or discourage membership in any labor organization by discrimination in connection with hiring, tenure, promotion, or other conditions of employment(.) /11/ At the hearing the General Counsel moved to sever case number 6-CA-791 from the Consolidated Complaint. The severance was granted, thereby, eliminated paragraph 5(d) of the Consolidated Complaint concerning the broadening of the scope of work assignments for timekeepers. It also eliminated the September 22, 1980 date from paragraph 6(a) and 6(b) of the Consolidated Complaint. Further, paragraph 5(b) was amended to include a second date, which now reads about May 16, 1980. /12/ Hawpe during the period involved herein was employed by respondent as a pipefitter. However, during the greater part of 1980, Hawpe was unable to perform his assigned duties because of a job related injury. Hawpe spent a large part of 1980 sitting in the plumbing office answering the telephone and ordering materials. Hawpe is no longer employed by respondent. /13/ I also agree with the General Counsel that various meetings held between the parties to discuss official time usage for union officials did not constitute meaningful bargaining sessions. Thus, both sides offered no definitive proposals, but merely shadow-boxed over the issue, the union desiring to maintain the status quo and management although adamant for change offered no proposals. /14/ Based on the above finding it is unnecessary to decide whether or not respondent had any obligation to bargain over the matter since it allegedly concerned matters enumerated under section 7106(a)(1) and (b)(1).